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[国外马拉松] (讨论)2017年南京轮马赛前训练营

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发表于 2016-11-23 13:55 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 johnxu 于 2016-11-23 13:58 编辑

2017年9月世界第一届轮滑运动会马拉松公开赛将在南京举办,这是中国中老年轮马爱好者期待已久的赛事,估计届时国内报名参赛的朋友很多。但是,很多朋友都没有经过正规的轮马训练,为了玩得更加专业,我们有没有必要办个赛前训练营?

我觉得北京的老烦和聚力中心可以聘请蔡教练等,在适合的时候,办个赛前训练班,时间一周左右,地点可以在北京生命科学园里,那里有很多很宽的公路,基本没车,园区还有个四星酒店,周边也有快捷酒店。参训者缴纳一定费用。

训练内容可以参照Sk8skoool的训练营的计划。我的澳大利亚、法国轮滑朋友参加过这个训练营,评价很高,收获很大。美国一休教授也见过Sk8skoool的教练上课,也反映收获很大,多年疑惑的技术问题得到解决。

Sk8skoool训练营的网址:参训的大多是业余爱好者,而且中老年居多。下面图片是丹麦训练营的活动。
http://www.sk8skoolonline.com/sk8camp-2017

大家可以发表下意见,看看这训练营有无必要?
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本帖最后由 johnxu 于 2016-11-28 13:22 编辑

Sk8skoool轮滑学校教练组的文章(抽时间翻成中文)

Stride Length vs Stroke Length
Coach Sooty
Are you using the correct stride length in different situations, and are you using the correct stroke length in those situations? But firstly we need to define what they are:

1) Stride length is the distance you travel forward with each stroke
2) Stroke length is the distance you push out to the side with your skate.

These definitions (and skills) apply to crossovers and straightaways, indoor skating, track skating and road skating. They apply ALL the time, and in every situation on skates. So what is the difference between stride length and stroke length.

It’s important to understand the difference because both are affected in different ways and by different techniques and feelings. It’s also important to understand that one is not necessarily directly proportional to the other, and that neither are directly proportional to the length of your leg, or your height. (Stroke length is somewhat related to your leg length, but not solely). So if someone says to you “good to have long legs in this sport”, then after reading this article you can shoot them with the nearest automatic weapon at your disposal.

Stride length is determined by the technical gear you use. What!!?!?! Skates have gears?!?! Well, no, skates don’t have gears, but your body does! The angular direction of your skate in relation to the direction of travel, and the direction of your stroke in relation to the direction of travel, and the discreet changes in body weight transfer combine to give you the “technical gear” that you are using when you skate.

•        What is a “technical gear”? A technical gear is the way you use techniques to create different gear ratios with the skate – This defines the length, resistance and effective power you get from any one stroke.

Just like a bike, going uphill, we use a small gear, and going fast on a flat smooth road we use a larger gear (or should), and going downhill we use an even larger technical gear. In fact in SK8skool we relate these skating “gears” to bikes (for kids to understand) and to cars (for adults to understand) because we use the body to create technical gears and use them in exactly the way.

If we are skating with a tailwind, and slightly downhill then we must use a very big gear just like a car would use 5th gear, or a bike would use 21st gear). This means keeping the skates very parallel to the direction of motion, through the whole of the push phase, but especially in the beginning of the stroke through the ‘power box’ area directly underneath the body, and simultaneously stroking long and perpendicular to the direction of travel (i.e. out to the side more than normal, an almost 90 degree angle to the direction of motion.)

Conversely, if we are skating slightly uphill with a slight headwind, then we would need to shorten the stroke and push slightly further back than normal, and angle our skates a little away from the parallel. This gives a smaller gear, it’s a little easier to push, and we’d probably use a slightly higher cadence.

Now, many skaters do this naturally, especially young skaters. But MANY MANY skaters use the wrong gear at the wrong time. Actually, finding the right gear at the right time is an art form. And this is what the elite do so well. Small changes of the stroke direction, stroke length, and angle of the skate direction to create the perfect gear for each situation. But what are the different situations? Each situation has a different gearing demand: Top speed, high cruising speed, acceleration moments, starts, headwind, tailwind, uphill downhill, pulling, drafting.

Many people think they are getting it right, but when we video analyze them we can see they are stuck in the same 2 or 3 gears, in all situations. Whereas the elite are using infinite numbers of gears in varying situations. Fitness skaters are using 3rd and 4th gear in most situations, but can’t find the technique to get in to 5th gear or overdrive when the speed goes up. And certainly can’t find 1st or 2nd gear for starts or low range accelerations.

In Sk8skool we practice downhill or with tailwind a lot just to practice finding that 5th or 6th gear, as these are the hardest technical gears to learn. We even have developed some special drills that help our skaters to learn to feel these gears in action.
We also have some special starts drills and acceleration drills to help our skaters learn 1st and 2nd gear. Most people skate in 3rd and 4th gear the whole of their skating careers, they are not aware that the other gears exist, and this can be a significant cause them ‘plateauing’ and their development halting when they reach a certain “reasonably good” level.

On a bike or in a car, you simply select the gear you want/need. In speedskating you have to learn the gear you want, practice it, and then practice switching between different gears. Luckily for us there are an infinitesimal number of gears depending upon how you use your body and skates. (We use the phrases 3rd gear, 4th gear, 5th gear, just to make it simple to understand, but in reality, it’s not black and white, it’s a thousand shades of grey, with many nuances).

To learn more about technical gearing take a look at our personal coaching packages, or get a custom package tailored to you and your lifestyle: www.Sk8skoolONline.com

“Let’s go faster,”
Coach Sooty
Sk8skoolONline.com

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-11-23 14:00 | 显示全部楼层
这是Sk8Skoool2017年8月训练营的设施和内容,一周收费600-700欧元,包括吃、住、训。

    Technique feedback by Sk8skool coaching team

    Speed training on road, parabolic track, road circuit and indoor

    Road and cycle path tours in the beautiful Danish country-side

    Skate trip along the old, disused train tracks from Slagelse to Næstved

    Mirror-wall coaching and instruction

    Core + Stability training including Slack-line coaching/instruction

    Slideboard training with coaching feedback, and in a mirror studio

    Sports Psychology classes and mental training tips/tools

    Skate tour to the beach

    Race simulation practices and coaching on strategy

    Sports nutrition every day (incl. warm meals) 3 times a day plus mid-afternoon snack and supper

    Barbeque evening, marshmallows around the bonfire.

    Evening bar, and 'café style' on the terrase/balcony

    Swimming pool, sauna, Disc-golf course

    Beach volleyball court, gymnastics room

    Some free-time to visit the Viking town of Slagelse in West Sjælland
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-11-29 13:22 | 显示全部楼层
老烦 发表于 2016-11-28 11:03
如果真有10多个人报名,完全可以在北京组织一个类似的训练营,请蔡教练来培训,训练内容可以根据参加者的 ...

老烦,有个问题不知道您是否了解。

2017年大师轮马世锦赛在意大利的L'Aquila举办而不是南京轮滑运动会的一个项目,那中老年爱好者还能参加南京世界轮滑运动会的轮马吗? 2016年因为轮马大师赛与世锦赛同时在南京举办,所以中国中年人才能参加大师世锦赛。如果2017南京只是轮滑全项目世锦赛,没有大师轮马世锦赛,那中老年就不能参加了吧?

看来,中老年是否能参加2017年9月南京的轮马还确实是个问题? 
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发表于 2016-11-23 17:28 | 显示全部楼层
不知道老年人能否有资格参加这个运动会,毕竟有竞赛性质,有很多限制的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-11-24 10:01 | 显示全部楼层
轮滑风 发表于 2016-11-23 17:28
不知道老年人能否有资格参加这个运动会,毕竟有竞赛性质,有很多限制的。

今年南京大师世锦赛国际组委会没有年龄限制,中国轮协弄了个“三大障碍”,其中包括限制60岁以上参赛。

据说2017年的世界第一届轮滑运动会马拉松是公开赛,对中老年爱好者没有限制。
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发表于 2016-11-24 11:49 | 显示全部楼层
今年已经有10多名超过60岁的中国选手参加了南京大师轮滑马拉松赛,而且成绩都很好,完赛时间跟60以下的选手没有什么差别。
明年的南京比赛参赛肯定不是问题。

不过据我观察,国内的成年爱好者参加训练营的需求很弱,还没有花钱请人培训的意识。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-11-24 19:03 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 johnxu 于 2016-11-24 19:09 编辑
老烦 发表于 2016-11-24 11:49
今年已经有10多名超过60岁的中国选手参加了南京大师轮滑马拉松赛,而且成绩都很好,完赛时间跟60以下的选手 ...

我们就要培养这种意识,经过今年南京的比赛,国内很多老同志开阔了眼界,我们应该把这种训练营的形式介绍给他们。丹麦那个训练营都是中老年业余爱好者。这次参赛的澳大利亚的一哥(72岁)和法国的欧立文(57岁)赛前都参加了丹麦这个训练营,他们反应很好。
这个训练营如果能办,留乐园也不错,周边有酒店。我觉得如果有十个人就可以开班。


老烦,您抽空看看他们的训练方式的视频和设备,我们有无可借鉴之处?

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轮滑风 发表于 2016-11-23 17:28
不知道老年人能否有资格参加这个运动会,毕竟有竞赛性质,有很多限制的。

年轻爱好者也可以参加吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-11-25 12:14 | 显示全部楼层
※追風マ少年 发表于 2016-11-24 23:06
年轻爱好者也可以参加吗?

年轻人更能参加了。
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发表于 2016-11-26 10:57 | 显示全部楼层
※追風マ少年 发表于 2016-11-24 23:06
年轻爱好者也可以参加吗?

不清楚有什么规定
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发表于 2016-11-28 08:48 | 显示全部楼层
徐老师的想法很好我们老年赛前应组织一下,我们赞成。
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